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Post by BFL Victim on Jul 8, 2014 16:02:32 GMT
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Post by notbannedyet on Jul 8, 2014 18:25:25 GMT
I don't know if accepting the cloud mining is a good idea if you're planning on litigation. If you've not done so already then raise a complaint with the FTC. www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/As BFL are violating the rules set out by the FTC www.business.ftc.gov/documents/bus02-business-guide-mail-and-telephone-order-merchandise-ruleIf enough people do this then they might take action against BFL themselves. If you want a refund you should request one by opening a support ticket, BFL will refuse, reply to their email insisting that you no longer have any need for the item and they have no legal basis to deny a refund. If you keep replying in different ways then they will eventually give up responding. Pass on all the details to woodlaw. The class action is still in discovery and the class hasn't been decided yet, so you might not be able to get in on it anyway. Bringing action yourself might be better, as if you find you're excluded from the class then at least your case is further on. If you wait until the class is decided then BFL might disappear before your case is heard. |
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Post by NoMonarchHere on Jul 9, 2014 1:18:28 GMT
^ the above post is good advice and true.
I can back up the fact that WoodLaw is actually gathering information on BFL for the class action lawsuit. They sent out an email today which I received.
There were about 50 others so far who are complaining. I encourage everyone to take screenshots of their order pages and submit them to the WoodLaw BFL case as the case is gathering steam!
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Post by notbannedyet on Jul 9, 2014 6:15:41 GMT
>There were about 50 others so far who are complaining.
I believe the total number who have contacted them is far in excess of that.
>as the case is gathering steam!
You should contact them, however courts don't move fast. It's likely to be another year before anything happens. They could pay off the original plaintiffs before it gets to class action
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Post by NoMonarchHere on Jul 11, 2014 21:32:56 GMT
I submitted a FTC complaint. Thank you very much for that link.
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Post by nothreat on Jul 16, 2014 21:17:38 GMT
Day 30, no refund.
How many people in a similar position but deleted from the forum or SLoked as I like to call it?
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Post by nothreat on Jul 17, 2014 8:00:17 GMT
It is now the morning after and still no refund and they are not responding to email other than via auto-responders.
I posted on the BFL forum "Day 30, no refund." and was deleted so suspect that those that have said that they have been refunded are just puppets.
I am thinking that they are either not paying refunds any more or are waiting the full 45 days.
I will never buy from an American company again as I feel that there is no consumer protection if companies like this can just get away with it.
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Post by BFL Victim on Jul 17, 2014 11:47:15 GMT
It's just Butterfly Labs that is dishonest, not all American companies.
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Post by notbannedyet on Jul 22, 2014 20:38:04 GMT
There has been an update.
"Starting tomorrow, orders with order dates through August 22, 2013 previously not eligible for a refund due to accepting upgrades/vouchers will now be refund eligible until the order ships. We’ll announce new dates as we roll out the policy."
They are trying to keep you on the hook.
"Before shipping a customer’s order we will communicate any additional upgrades or other goodwill adjustments that may then be available. At that time customers can still cancel their order and request a refund in lieu of taking delivery of their Monarch order"
But they are also saying
"That would be credible if there was a class action lawsuit, but since there is not... you are once again spreading false information and it's getting pretty tiring, gotta say."
The lawsuit hasn't been granted class action status yet, but that is legal nit-picking.
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Post by BFL Victim on Jul 24, 2014 0:52:32 GMT
I saw Josh's response to that post. He denies the fact that a witness testified under OATH that several BFL company members were using company credit cards for personal purchases. This was stated in the trial. And Josh acts like it's all blown out of proportion and the judicial system is not trustworthy. I find that the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. He's making less of court transcripts of what was actually stated. Josh is working for a criminal (Sonny) and Josh is therefore a companion and defending his fellow criminal friend. They are therefore both criminals. It's easy. Why else would Josh justify the court proceedings like that?
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Post by notbannedyet on Jul 24, 2014 15:09:39 GMT
Witnesses can lie, but an audit would show up whether they were using company credit cards for personal use. The IRS would probably be interested in that.
The real truth will unfold, just hope you get your money out before it implodes.
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